tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28344720.post8423672465769376387..comments2008-08-27T20:41:17.092-06:00Chip Overclockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11195242013008369733noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28344720.post-4925223948725121352008-08-27T20:41:00.000-06:002008-08-27T20:41:00.000-06:00That's exactly what I'm talking about: the ability to track bugs right down into the machine code if necessary. I've had do this more than once from C and C++. So far I've been spared having to dig into the JVM.Chip Overclockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11195242013008369733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28344720.post-48172460728148564042008-08-27T20:24:00.000-06:002008-08-27T20:24:00.000-06:00I also forgot to mention that this article reminds me of how the creator of the CI OS tool Hudson had to debug java at the native level to track down a nasty bug. http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kohsuke/archive/2008/06/debugging_java.htmljlorenzenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13635369821860631868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28344720.post-37623278678641845602008-08-27T20:22:00.000-06:002008-08-27T20:22:00.000-06:00I couldn't agree with you more. I believe my college was somewhere in the middle. While working full time and going to school part time I finished in 8 years at the University of Tulsa in Tulsa, OK. <BR/><BR/>I graduated in 2004 with a bach. in CIS (Computer Information Systems). More programming and less science.<BR/>I really enjoyed my assembler class and our teacher really pushed us. Most of my programming classes, which used Java, were challenging and at the beginning I was amazed that you could do what they expected with programming.<BR/><BR/>I learned a lot about pain, but not at the level you mention. I remember a lot of pain in assembler. But we also implemented our own OS based off NACHOS (Not Another Cheap Operating System - http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs162/sp08/Nachos/walk/walk.html). It's basically a skeleton OS built in java and our goal was to fill in the gaps and get it to work. That class was tough but I learned a lot.<BR/><BR/>One of the neatest classes I took over the summer was Evolution Computation or Genetic Algorithms. This was also a very challenging course and it happened to be my professors area of expertise. It help expand my mind on different approaches to solving problems compared to brute force programming which can take too long for complex problems.<BR/><BR/>But still I can look back on it now and see how taking some of the courses you mention would be beneficial to my career.jlorenzenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13635369821860631868noreply@blogger.com